The One About Mindful Motherhood w/ Sarah Ziroll (AUDIO ONLY)

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Oh yes, here we go.

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We are here.

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You guys hear that music?

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It's playing right now.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Journey.

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No, it's not Journey.

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Hey, you, you, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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I gotta have to pay for
the rights to that, man.

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You gotta stop that.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Yeah, we don't have that kind of money.

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The budget, the budget for this show is
definitely not, not Journey type money.

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This is Radio Daybreak.

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I am Just Blane.

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I'm Becks.

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I'm Freshman Benjamin.

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Now look, we are at a
different location right now.

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If, you know what, free lunch to
the first person that can tell

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us where we're at right now.

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That's what we would do.

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Oh, Carla says, Carla says,
now look, now look, now look.

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We got a couple of, we
got a couple of guests.

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So, we're actually at, We're at
the pre stage here for our Daybreak

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Business Community Networking event.

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This is what we do every Wednesday 1 p.

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m to 2 30.

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We're at Harman's right now.

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We're going to be there
for another month, right?

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Did we check with Rachel?

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We got to check.

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She's going to come up and join
us here in just a little bit.

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Beautiful.

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That's going to be awesome.

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If you need anything else from Radio
Daybreak, it's at Radio Daybreak

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across the board, all the social media.

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Speaking of daybreak, we got
something big coming this weekend.

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We do.

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I'm launching a comedy pop up show at
Biscott's Cock Cafe up on Lake Avenue.

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Uh, it's gonna be rad.

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We can only seat 69 people and
we've already sold 60 tickets.

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Oh, so there's nine tickets left.

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Nine tickets left.

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Nine people get to come.

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Nine tickets.

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There's a couple people in here.

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We're gonna sell it out
by the end of the day.

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If we don't, if we don't sell it out by
the end of the day, that's gonna be wild.

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I don't, I think it will.

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I It'll go.

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It's gonna go.

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You know what?

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If it sells out, maybe they just
start buying tickets for the next one.

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Because there should be a lot of people.

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If it sells out, which it's going to,
I'm going to start doing weekly shows.

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So we're going to have comedy in Daybreak
every week through the spring and summer.

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It's going to be rad.

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Alright, are you going to give us a
little teaser about what to expect?

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About what to expect?

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Well, there's going to be
some family friendly nights.

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There's going to be some
family not friendly nights.

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Okay.

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There will be in a whole range
of comedy from the, uh, pure and

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innocent to the vulgar and offensive.

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I love it.

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I love the vulgar and offensive.

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It covers everyone's face.

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Yeah, everyone gets cut.

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Well look, let's get out of here
and get to our interview for today.

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We DBC.

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Don't forget about that.

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We've also got a field
trip coming up Friday.

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R5 Homes.

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We're going to go down there
and have a workshop for the DBC.

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Lots more announcements
coming up for that.

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Sarah's role is our guest.

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I don't know much about her,
so I'm going to have to look

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into her and see what it is.

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So let's go over to that interview.

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Just Blane: All right, Becks.

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We're here with our special guest.

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Sarah's a role made
mindful birth made mindful.

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com.

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I started looking at this website,
Sarah, and I love what I see.

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So I want to hear more though, because.

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We hear about a doula out there,
but there's nothing to it in that.

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So tell us more about what you do
in that realm for others to be.

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Sarah Ziroll: Thank you so much.

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I'm excited to be with you.

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And I want to share a little bit about
Birth Made Mindful and how it came to be.

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It's a little bit of a combination
of life coaching and birth coaching.

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I realized as I was preparing for my
own labors and deliveries that there

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was so much that was required mentally,
that there was no way that you could

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have a third party like your doctor.

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Or even your doula, who could be
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that's necessary for a joyful birth.

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All of that I felt needed to come
from within, from preparation,

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spiritually, emotionally, and mentally.

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And so I kind of use some elements
of life coaching to then help

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mothers prepare for their labors.

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Becks: Oh my goodness.

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I love that.

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And I mean, we talked a
little bit about this.

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Sarah, you were one of our special guests
on our international women's day podcast

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that we did earlier in the month, and I
love what you said with that because not

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a lot in my experience of having, you
know, three deliveries for kids, cause I

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have twins, not a lot went into mindset.

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And, you know, being there for the mom,
it's kind of like, okay, here we are.

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It's a medical procedure.

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Not a lot of that goes
into mindset and strength.

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And I love that what you teach about
that and how empowering that is.

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Sarah Ziroll: Well, and that's exactly
where I found a lack of resources.

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I was able to find, you know, different
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physiological birth or they could help
you to, you know, like maybe not have

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all of the interventions that might
be offered if you're at a hospital.

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But what I wasn't finding was a
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you how to prepare and how to
get ready for birth yourself.

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Becks: Yeah.

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What are some key aspects of mental
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would say, you know, for labor that
you emphasize in your online courses

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or otherwise in your teachings?

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Sarah Ziroll: A few of the elements
that I love to teach families,

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one of them is facing your fears.

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Recognizing that there are many unknowns
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inappropriate to have contingency
plans, to know everything that there

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could be to know So that you feel
prepared if an emergency happens or if

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something does not go according to plan.

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Just Blane: It never goes
according to plan, right?

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Sarah Ziroll: That's exactly right.

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And in my first labor, I
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I was ready to go, you know, so
crunchy, all granola, natural.

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And then I ended up having a C section
and I was completely unprepared.

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I received some really bad advice from one
of my, um, birth coaches, or I received

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some really bad advice from a course that
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And he said, don't even study
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you're not going to have one.

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Oh no.

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Here I was, I had skipped
that section of the book.

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I didn't look at anything.

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Right.

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And so here I was, and there was a
moment in my delivery when I knew

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that it was going to be a C section.

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And I had that thought, maybe
I should have prepared a

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little bit more thoroughly.

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And so I think it is important for
us to be educated as much as we can.

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Just Blane: Yeah.

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I remember going through the process
with my wife and we just kind of

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read all the books and everything.

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And then, you know, for
the first one, nothing.

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Throw all that out the window.

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And then the second one, but when
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it a lot easier for us to be able
to say, be ready for anything.

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Don't, don't just get ready for that.

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Don't get ready for that.

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Don't plan this plan at all.

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Basically it was,

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I really wish we'd had somebody
like you to reel us back in

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and help us focus some of that.

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So I love some of the
stuff you're saying here.

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This is a, this is a messy job though.

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Like, honestly, it's, it's,
there's a lot that goes into this.

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What makes you, what made you
want to do this for other mothers?

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Like why you?

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Sarah Ziroll: Because I had researched
so extensively in my own labors.

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So after my first C section delivery,
I knew that I wanted to try for a

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VBAC or a cesarean and was working
really hard, listening to the podcast,

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reading the books, speaking with
people who had experiences like that.

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And I thought that my provider was
supportive, but three days before

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my baby's birthday, she mentioned
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support me in a vaginal birth,
but could schedule my C section.

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And because I had been studying so much,
I knew that the provider worked for me.

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I knew that I had choices.

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I actually left her practice.

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I found a midwife.

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I delivered my baby in a birth center, but
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obstacles that I was facing because I
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I had to spend the next few
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now I didn't have a fallback.

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If I wanted any pain medication, we
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the hospital who had just essentially
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of delivery that I was seeking.

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Hmm.

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In all of my experiences, I realized
there are other people who do not feel

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empowered enough to make these decisions.

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They would just say, Oh, is that
what my doctor is telling me?

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I'll, I'll go ahead and say yes.

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Becks: Well, and for the listeners that
maybe have not had, um, babies, explain

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what a VBAC is and why that's important.

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Could have challenges.

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Why your doctor just said,
Oh, I'm not doing this.

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If you would dive into that a little bit.

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Sarah Ziroll: Oh, absolutely.

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So one of the reasons that medical
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of a VBAC is because of the risks.

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A lot of times a provider will
mention the risk of uterine rupture.

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So after you've had a C section and
you've been cut, there is a risk.

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what they say, double the amount of
risk that it would happen to you.

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Now that risk is still minuscule in
comparison, um, but because the research

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and the statistics show that it's doubled
and we're talking like from, you know, 0.

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8 to then, you 0.

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16 type of doubling.

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Um, but a lot of people will
be concerned about that.

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Um, one of the other things I try to
really help people find when they are

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getting ready for labor and delivery is,
is trying to separate the element of time.

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So we are in a world now where if
you haven't delivered your baby by

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40 weeks, there's something wrong.

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That's not the case.

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I like to think about it.

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As if you're running a
marathon, there's 26.

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2 miles in that race.

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And if you're going to cross the finish
line, you have to make it beyond 26.

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2 miles.

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So when you are delivering your
baby, 40 weeks, to me, seems like

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the minimum amount of time that
we should be expected to labor.

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And yet, because there's more elective
inductions taking place, people expect

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you to have had your baby by 40 weeks.

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Becks: Hmm.

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I hope that brings up a very
good point because there's

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complications associated with that.

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You know, induction and giving
birth before that little

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one and your body is ready.

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Just Blane: So tell me at
Birth Made Mindful, what do

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you do as far as the process?

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I've seen coaching, I've seen
courses, affirmation cards.

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Is that a thing you've
got over there here?

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Sarah Ziroll: Absolutely.

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We have these beautiful, waterproof,
you know, custom affirmation cards.

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We have them for birth, for
motherhood, and for daily use.

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So anybody who might not be
in the realm of having a baby

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these days can also participate.

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Just to help Encourage the positive
self talk that then affects our results.

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I really start to, to believe and to
try to preach as much as possible that

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what we are creating first mentally will
become the outcome that we will receive.

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Just Blane: love that.

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I love that.

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And that's it.

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You can, you can book you at.

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Earth Made Mindful.

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Our guest is Sarah Zarole.

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Am I saying that right?

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My tongue Absolutely.

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My tongue is a little bit different
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I lived in L.

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for a decade.

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So you don't never know where I'm from.

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From, but

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Sarah Ziroll: she always says,
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Becks: I like that.

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Just Blane: So I hear
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I want to hear something about these
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and what, why did you write these?

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Like what motivated you?

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Sarah Ziroll: I'm in the process
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One of them is the manuscript of Birth
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we talk about in the courses, really
helping people to prepare for birth.

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And my tagline is to create
the birth of your dreams.

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You know, really showing that you are in
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certain actions to have a joyful birth.

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parenthood, fathers included.

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But I also have written some children's
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We realized that parents are so often
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night, that if there was some messages
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It could be like a double edged sword.

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It can kill two birds with one stone.

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Just Blane: I love it.

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So hold on.

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Let me so you're not published yet.

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Let's put it out there.

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Let's say let's get you
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Before I say that though, can you
can you read me an excerpt you got

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something for us so we can hear?

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Sarah Ziroll: I would love to.

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So essentially the thought is we're
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parents through children's stories, you
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work together to overcome an obstacle or
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stance on, you know, some of the elements
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as we are going down this journey and
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So this is one of the cute little
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So it says, Clara the
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She was hungry.

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She was hungry for lunch.

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Why was she so ravenous?

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Change was underway.

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She would become a butterfly
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From her chrysalis, she later emerged.

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Her transformation was complete.

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She had new curves.

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She had new colors.

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She had new wings.

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She had new long antenna things.

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But with all things new, she was unsure.

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To reshape made her feel insecure.

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She could flutter up
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She could now sip nectar, a tasty treat.

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She could lay eggs and become a mother,
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She was still getting
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Would she love her new body the same?

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Then she saw a reflection,
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Her reflection, she was
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Though her body changed, it
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are meant to change and grow.

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Becks: Oh.

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Just Blane: What?

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Sarah Ziroll: You

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Just Blane: know what?

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Becks: That got me teary.

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Just Blane: I was, I was right
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Becks: have

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I think that's, that's fantastic.

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Sarah Ziroll: the road that we hope
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putting it out into the universe.

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I've submitted to a couple of
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knows in that world, I haven't heard
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we need the help of the universe.

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Becks: Yes, we've got, Blane
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Just Blane: Let me, let me see what we
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I'd love that book and
it's full circle for you.

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Why not write kids books
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Sarah Ziroll: this is just
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We have about 20 that could
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Illustrations to go along, but
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really like it touches your heart.

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It makes you realize that there's
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that is required as as women, as.

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You know, fathers are becoming
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transformation is so deep that the
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needed, we, we got to get it out there.

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That's really what it's all about.

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Becks: Sarah, so wonderful
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I want to wrap up with
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And what advice would you have for
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accessing resources, finding
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That's wonderful.

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I think the first thing that I would
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family members, communities that
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Of course we do offer courses online, but
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and support to help you in this journey,
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the situations that you're going through.

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with like planning and preparing ahead
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might come about and when you need
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night and you have no idea who to call.

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If you have placed the La Leche
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you will be twice as prepared.

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You will be excited and ready
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And I've called them many times,
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needed support down that road.

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So, um, it's not just a
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experience of having
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into is also one of the realities.

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Becks: Yeah.

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Love that.

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And if they do want to reach you
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website at birthmademindful.

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It's right here on the screen.

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Blaine threw that up for us.

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Thank you, Blaine.

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Always a pleasure to
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You're so informative.

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Thank you so much for coming on.

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Just Blane: love to talk to you again.

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I want to go more in depth on
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You're a great asset to mothers,
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great asset to fathers too.

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I mean, there's a lot of us coming up.

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We want to know this kind of stuff.

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We want to be educated on this.

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A hundred years ago, 50
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It wasn't that they didn't care.

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It was just a different society.

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It was a different world.

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People looked different.

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Not anymore.

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We want to know this kind of stuff.

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Talk to the fathers.

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Talk to the mothers.

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Get us all involved.

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I'd love to talk to you more.

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Thank you so much, Sarah,
for coming up with us.

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Sarah Ziroll: Thank you
so much for having me.

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Come reach out to us.

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Join our community on social media.

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We also have a scholarship program if
people are willing and able to help us

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to provide these resources to others
who are not financially able to do so.

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So that's on our website as well.

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Aw yeah.

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Great interview with Sarah Zeroll.

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Birthmademindful.

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com Do you know a little more?

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I do.

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I didn't at first.

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I was like, hey, what is this?

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What is this?

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Now listen.

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One more time.

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It's Daybreak.

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Look, exactly.

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So, we'll be there Friday night.

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We'll be there every week.

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We're gonna, we're gonna keep
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We're about to kick
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Catch you guys soon, right?

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At Radio Daybreak.

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